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To add to the commonplace from elsewhere in my reading today (Thomas Ogden's "Bion's Four Principles of Mental Functioning"), since it felt lucky, and to think through a contradiction:

"The work of dreaming, for Bion, is the psychological work by means of which we create personal, symbolic meaning thereby becoming ourselves. In other words, we dream ourselves into existence. In the absence of the capacity for dreaming, we are unable to create meaning that feels personal to us: we cannot differentiate between hallucination and perception, between our waking perceptions of others, and between our dream-life and our waking-life. . . Dreaming is not a product of the differentiation of the conscious and unconscious mind; it is the dreaming that creates and maintains that differentiation, and, in so doing, generates human consciousness."

and "Dreaming occurs continuously both while we are awake and asleep. Just as the stars remain in the sky even when their light is obscured by the sun, so, too, dreaming is a continuous function of the mind that persists even when our dreams are obscured from consciousness by the glare of waking life."

In this piece Ogden also discusses Bion's idea that "it takes two minds to think one's disturbing thoughts," so perhaps Crapanzano's idea of "other spaces" where dreams occur (outside of the internal mind) wouldn't be too hard to reconcile with Bion's & Ogden's (at least two minds already) thinking.

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